ST Owners:

"CounterTorqueSteer" (countertorquesteer)
11/25/2014 at 11:21 • Filed to: FoST, Fist, ST, silvestro

Just because you own a FiST, that does not make the FoST an inferior car. Likewise, just because I own a FoST, that does not make the FiST worse. I have driven both extensively and they both have pros and cons. There are multiple reasons that people choose the Focus over the Fiesta. Size is just one of them. Personally, I like the looks over the Focus more, but that doesn't mean I'm calling the Fiesta ugly. Overall, all ST owners should be able to see the merits in both.

DISCUSSION (40)

William Byrd > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:23

I took a look at both. I have 3 kids so the FoST was just bigger and a no-brainer. Plus I felt like it looked a bit better, maybe a touch more upscale? Probably in my head.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:23

SHOTS HAVE BEEN FIRED

On a side note, I'm genuinely curious, how does the FiST feel and drive compared to the FoST? Better or worse? Does it feel lighter? how's the steering?

CounterTorqueSteer > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:27

The steering is very direct and the car is noticeably lighter. One of the main reasons that I chose the FoST is that you don't get nearly as much feel of torque in the FiST.

Alex B > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:30

Kinja'd!!!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:30

I'm just not a fan of electrically-assisted steering racks because they really don't provide much feel to me in the way my Astra's electrohydraulic steering did. It doesn't feel connected when it's all electrons.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:31

There is no hatred amongst ST owners. I'm pretty sure every time FoST and FiST owners meet all other car owner groups would be sickened by the amount of "OHHHH but YOOOOUURRR CAAAAARRR is just SOOOO GOOOOOOOOODDDDDD!!!!!! :) :) :) :) :) "and then the other guy is all "OH STOP IT YOUUUUUUUUU :* :* :* :* :* Because YOUR CAAARRRRRR is just SOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOODDDD *slurp* *lick* *makeout*"

and I say this as a FiST owner.

CounterTorqueSteer > Alex B
11/25/2014 at 11:31

Exactly!

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:31

Much tighter feel, much more stable. The drop in power and shorter wheelbase means you can change direction VERY rapidly yet securely.

Party-vi > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:33

Something something "ninja edit". Thanks brah.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
11/25/2014 at 11:37

But can it get sideways? I kinda like that in the FoST, that feeling of insecure handling and torque steer when you get on it because it makes up for the lack of steering feel I get from those electrons.

Also, I have to ask you something else.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:38

I get mine sideways ALL THE TIME but it is so controllable.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
11/25/2014 at 11:38

Can it get sideways and get the tail out as easy as the FoST?

And are you still planing on doing that rallycross event next month?

CounterTorqueSteer > Party-vi
11/25/2014 at 11:39

changed the title.

Party-vi > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:39

Hooray!

Milky > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:40

"Size is just one of them."

Kinja'd!!!

505Turbeaux > Alex B
11/25/2014 at 11:41

^ This ^

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
11/25/2014 at 11:42

Kinja'd!!!

Wut.

EL_ULY > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:42

both awesome for sure! But at 24olbs, my choice is logical :] That is the only reason though :]

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:42

It is even easier to kick the back end out on the FiST thanks to less weight, skinnier tires, and a shorter wheelbase.

I'm still up in the air about that event but I probably will to pass the time and to visit the opening of a brewery that weekend. I will definitely say that the FiST's strength when sliding is how easy it is to also alter the course of your slide with the gas or brakes. I think it wa Johnny Liberman during the best drivers car for MT who said it best - "In these other cars with lots of power and big engines, if you mess up going into a corner, you just have to slow it down and back out of it. But in the Fiesta, that small size and low power means that you can correct mid-corner very easily and safely."

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:43

Don't deny it. You've heaped praise and had it heaped back onto you by other ST drivers. And you park next to them in lots. And you thumbs up at them as you drive by.

E92M3 > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:46

The FiST is the best for the money. The FoST is GTI, WRX, etc...money.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
11/25/2014 at 11:47

It makes me wonder if it'd be worth it to "trade down" in the future...

If you're still planning on going to the event, let me know, because I don't want to go to this kinda thing by myself, I'd love for someone who I know on Oppo to be there as a mentor or guide of sorts.

I never test drove a Fiesta of any kinda.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
11/25/2014 at 11:47

I did park next to a blue FiST this morning...

Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:49

But the URL will never die.

brjklein > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:50

I cross-shopped and drove two Focus STs before driving three Fiesta STs. Pros/Cons to follow:

Focus ST:
Pros: Space, reasonable MPG, POWAAAAA, ALL THE TORQUES.
Cons: Handled like a heavier car than it is, straight-line speed, cramped driver's spot, terrible-looking parking brake, ALL THE BUTTONS for infotainment

Fiesta ST:
Pros: Small, light, good MPG, reasonable power, good torque, Seems like it's more open in the driver's spot, clean layout for infotainment
Cons: Passenger space, doesn't feel "fast" but "quick" instead, almost as much $ as a base Focus ST (or more), touchscreen looks like an afterthought

I ended up with a Fiesta ST. Edit: And my 7-week-old son can fit in the center with a rear-facing car seat.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 11:56

I will more than likely be there now that I think about it. I'll sign up over the weekend. The thing about the FoST/FiST is you can go back and forth all day and all night. So I don't see it as worth it to switch between the two unless you have a FiST but then need more room for kids/life/etc....

pitstop_pitowski > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 11:59

Just do the ST Octane academy school in Utah. You will understand the glory of both. And you will then want two: FiST for autocross and FoST for track day. Problem solved.

CounterTorqueSteer > pitstop_pitowski
11/25/2014 at 12:01

I already explained that I enjoy both. Both are great cars that fill their own niche. It just so happened that the Focus fit me better at the time of purchase than the Fiesta.

pitstop_pitowski > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/25/2014 at 12:02

Fuck yes, you can. When we were doing the autoX course in Utah we all agreed that the Fiesta was much easier to throw around. J-turns and 180's were so easy to do in that car.

pitstop_pitowski > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 12:07

My bad, the comment was directed to all those with the opinion that one was inferior to the other. I had the same conclusion as yourself (will it baby?/carry stuff) and since my wife also had a hand in the purchase (ah, marriage) we concluded bigger is better. She also loves her SUV, so I will leave it at that. :-)

Evil-B > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 12:07

I'd personally take the Fiesta over the Focus the only reason for that is that I have loved Fiesta's since the MK1

burntartichoke > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 12:12

The answer is simple outside the US

Kinja'd!!!

Why Ford! Why????

CounterTorqueSteer > pitstop_pitowski
11/25/2014 at 12:14

No biggie :)

CounterTorqueSteer > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/25/2014 at 12:15

Whoops

Big Bubba Ray > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 12:35

Has there really been a pissing match about which is better? From everything I've read about them, they both sound like fantastic cars.

Brian Silvestro > Hahayoustupidludditeshutupandgohandcrankyourmodeltalready
11/25/2014 at 12:38

heh

Brian Silvestro > CounterTorqueSteer
11/25/2014 at 12:39

I guess we can't have opinions anymore.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > brjklein
11/26/2014 at 17:10

Is it bad that I feel like a large part of why I didn't get the Focus ST was because that handbrake weirded me out? The Fiesta ST just felt good to be in.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 17:12

A well done electric rack is better than an average hydraulic rack, I believe the NSX was an electric rack.

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > K-Roll-PorscheTamer
11/26/2014 at 17:15

The Focus rode a tad better, and the on boost and off boost torque is noticeably better. Fiesta feels more nimble and direct? If that makes sense.